Euthyphro

About 2400 years ago the Platonic dialog Euthyphro was written describing the dilemma of goodness; what is it and how is it grounded? Socrates was waiting outside the courts were he would be tried for corrupting the youth of
Athens. He met a young man, Euthyphro, who was bringing charges against his father for murder. He explained to Socrates that his relatives are angry with him because they believe it is unholy for a son to prosecute his father. Euthyphro claims they know nothing of what 'the divine law is in regard to holiness and unholiness.'
 
Being a man who likes to discuss ‘big questions,’ Socrates asked Euthyphro what he thought holiness was. Euthyphro responded with a few proposals which Socrates in his skeptical manner deconstructed; Holiness is prosecuting the wrongdoer who commits murder or steals from temples or does any such thing, whether he be your father or you mother or anyone else, and not prosecuting him is unholy, holiness is what dear to the gods, holiness and piety is the art of attending to the gods which is a science of sacrificing and praying to the gods. Ultimately the dilemma was boiled down by Socrates to, ‘is some thing (or action) good in and of itself and this is why both God and men love these things, or is some thing (or action) good because some god (or man) wills it to be so?’
 
If Socrates' question truly is an either/or proposition then it would forever remain unanswerable. Socrates exploded both of Euthyphro's basic propositions of what makes some certain thing (or action) good and/or holy as being absurd. If God determines what is good by process of arbitrary decision, to what then does He post His declaration to? If you say to the world, then a dependency is created with God being dependent upon something outside of Himself for one His qualities i.e. ‘God is good because some things in the world are good.’ This would be similar to one of us men making the same kind of declaration—‘I’m good because this thing here is good.’ This is absurd. If what is good is recognized by God and men, what is it them that recognizes the goodness of the action or thing? By what measure is goodness discriminated from the bad? There is a glaring absurdity here. On one hand you have ungrounded recognition on the other arbitrarily chosen good things or actions. The dialog ends with the implication that the question, 'Is that which is holy loved by the gods because it is holy, or is it holy because it is loved by the gods?' is unanswerable.
 
I would say that good is and of itself and that good is God; not by an arbitrary declaration He made but by His essential nature. God is good. Any good that we recognize is reflection of His nature. When God finished creating things He saw that, ‘it was good.’ It couldn’t be otherwise.
 
Any ethic not metaphysically based on an ultimate cause is without foundation and as such would be ultimately meaningless. The statement 'all is relative' is an obvious contradiction. It is obvious we live in an ordered world where we agree on many propositions as indeed being true and good. Some things are clearly better than others, we all recognize this. This implies that there is something fixed from which we can measure from. So an ultimate fixed reality must be to provide foundation for mutual agreement. Now I'll define some conditions to build a foundation to answer the question.
 
Ultimate reality is necessary to existence and must exist in and of itself, that is, it is self-existent and therefore not subject to cause. Self-creation is absurd because the thing would have to be and not be at the same time, so there is no answer here. We are obviously contingent and we endure constant change so then it is obvious we are subject to cause. So then we are not qualified to define reality, but only to experience it as creatures. In other words, the necessary qualification to be the Creator is self-existence outside of the created world. So is this being "wholly other?"
 
We are somewhat like our cause because we are an effect of the cause, because of a necessary relation between cause and effect. We have personalities and mind so then it seems reasonable to believe that the cause has a personality and a mind. (I realize that I’m reasoning from effect to cause, it is impossible for me to do otherwise.) We have intelligence so our cause must have intelligence and so on... Also it is silly and contrary to experience to say that an effect can be greater than its cause, so this is no answer either. To deny any qualities that we experience in ourselves of our Creator ultimately denies the existence of these qualities in ourselves; all basis for knowing ourselves (and good) would be destroyed. Since we have reason and we can recognize the relationships between cause and effect, we can infer certain qualities that our Creator, who is greater than us, must have because we have them.
 
We universally agree upon many things and action as being good or better than others. The differences between cultures are really minor; murder and stealing, for example, are universally thought of as being bad and charity is universally recognized as being good. To measure something there must be a point to measure from else the measurement would be meaningless. Since we recognize good and that some things (and actions) are better (or worse) than others, we can then infer that there is a defining point to measure from. So the question is, are things (or actions) good or bad because God arbitrarily declares it so, or are things (an actions) good in and of themselves?
 
Without the Necessary Being, God, there would be nothing, no space, no time, no matter, no motion, no motives and no actions. So by Him all things exist and have their being. Such a being could not change in nature else he would cease to be what he was and become something else. In other words, by necessity, a Being necessary to existence cannot change in nature; He cannot become, He can only be. Since God can only be, all other things (and ideas) that become are dependent upon Him for their existence. So then if God is Creator and goodness is universally recognized in His creatures and as such is indeed measurable then God is the measure of all things, including good, by the very nature of who He is. Good would then be fixed to its source.
 
God is good. So when His creatures violate moral law, they violate God's nature which is good. Good is a thing-in-itself because it is God's nature. This anchors moral judgment to a fixed, unmovable point, establishing an absolute moral standard from which we can measure.

I don’t think that Socrates was seeking knowledge from Euthyphro. Socrates was known for being critical of the stories about the gods, with all their moral contradictions. This case in particular I think Socrates knew from the get go that Euthyphro's initial assertion was undefendable. I think his primary purpose was to teach Euthyphro that he really didn't know anything about the will of the gods. Also, I don't think that Socrates foundation for knowledge was relativistic, but rather it was unknowable being that we exist within such a limited condition. Lastly, I think that Euthyphro is a poor philosopher; his arguments were poorly thought out and he refused to wrestle with the question.

I have never held to the doctrine that truth is man defined. Even as struggling atheist I could never convince myself that we indeed could do this. Within the framework of the reality of an external world that would exist and function quite well independent of us, we simply do not have the power to affect in the way some say we can. This is why I also reject unfounded claims of revelation; this is like a man claiming to know something, but after examining him we find out that he does not. I think moral knowledge and reason are common; given to us that we may be able to examine and test the truth, so that we may then know it.

Euthyphro stood on unfounded claims of and about the gods. Socrates merely examined them and found them wanting through simple reason. Euthyphro in his pride would not listen to reason, and so not come to the truth that he knew nothing of the gods and their wills.



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